User talk:Feeglgeef

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I understand the anti-AI (or pro-human) sentiment, but could you avoid using a word for which the entire joke is that it's like an ethnic slur? It's not the robots who are affected by that. Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:21, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Oh, of course. I apologize if my use of the term offended you, that was not my intent. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

I don't think personal offense or lack thereof is the issue really, it's about not letting the high tensions of our (post, post)modern age be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki. Sure, Abstract Wikipedia has the technical aspect to consider, but basically it's still an encyclopedia; we all need to be WP:HERE to make the project function if it's going to, otherwise it won't. That doesn't mean withhold criticism, it means finding a mode of communicating it that doesn't close off possibilities. Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:54, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think anyone was being uncivil. However, "be the reason that civility is unworkable in this wiki" implies that you would think so, or no? Either way, I personally don't find how a jocular term like "clanker" is exactly itself uncivil. Babelball (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Because the joke is "see, I get to use a slur against the AI because it's not a person", which ignores that real people use the AI, and real people made it in the first place (some under oppressive working conditions), and real people have been the targets of the slurs which 'clanker' takes inspiration from. Go ahead and tell me that 'clanka' isn't what it clearly appears to be, for example. My wider point is that if Abstract Wikipedia becomes just a place for culture warring, then it's not useful as a general-purpose encyclopedia (or source of linguistic structures from which encyclopediae in various languages might be produced). — Arlo Barnes (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Firstly, clanka is literally the definition of satirism. Secondly, the term clanker is not directed towards those that use AI or help to create it — it's directed towards AI. Your emphasis on clanker disrespecting those people is a little silly. Thirdly, there was no culture-war in place. From what I can tell, @Feeglgeef was using clanker satirically while informing Immanuelle that they were plagiarizing. — Babelball (talk) 22:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

(dedent) Silly I am, but in this matter I am being serious (and I don't generally think that satirical or jocular speech is all that different from speech, broadly construed). The interpersonal politics around the use of AI are currently embroiled in a culture war, and the wiki-contributing portion of the world is not immune to the controversy; due to the computational linguistic basis of Abstract Wikipedia, it is even more liable to this topic.
I welcome valid critiques of AI, but in this context I think we the wiki community require it in the form of policy-setting for the project as discussed in the relevant forums, rather than as name-calling, which 'clanker' is if nothing else. The AI can't take offense, since the hardware is made of rocks and about as lively, and the software is stirfried internet. So only the humans are around to read that, so it is them to which reasoned arguments should instead be directed, preferably in a process of consensus-seeking.

I believe Feeglgeef's assertion above of no intent to offend, and even if I didn't have that positive belief I'd be giving coeditors the benefit of reasonable doubt, so I am not worried about for example Code of Conduct violations in the present. However, I think it best to address matters with discussion as soon as they become relevant. I am thankful for both your and Feeglgeef's contributions in mainspace and at Wikifunctions, as far as I have seen. In the project namespace here however, I note that NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh reverted a contra-AI edit to abstract:tools as being arbitrary, so I think I am likely not the only one who feels that employing a combative approach regarding AI and the people who use it is not an appropriate method for a collaborative editing environs, especially when there are more constructive alternatives.

Since I mentioned Immanuelle and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, I am letting them find this post via ping, but Feeglgeef's talk page is not the best location for extended discussion (I regret taking the expeditious action a couple days ago... I didn't want to derail the thread at PC with what was initially an aside) so perhaps at bot policy or automation or even AI would be a good place to move. abstract:project chat is still a good general forum, but more specific pages can help focus the topic. — Arlo Barnes (talk) 02:43, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

To be clear, "bot account" most likely means a bot password. JJP_Master (she/they) 02:49, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for the link. — Arlo Barnes (talk) 02:52, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

Translations in French

Hi Feeglgeef. I want to translate in French Abstract Wikipedia as I start to Wikifunctions, but I don't know where to start. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 08:51, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not sure whether you want to:

1. translate Abstract Wikipedia's interface;
2. translate Abstract Wikipedia's display of unrendered abstract content; or
3. improve the ability to render abstract content in French.

If you mean its interface, try translatewiki.net, I think you need to sign up for an account. If you mean its display of unrendered content, it gets that from the labels on WF, so do that there. If you mean #3 its much more difficult because it requires more technical knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to contribute, it's really appreciated. Feeglgeef (talk) 13:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Feeglgeef. It was the first point. I just join translatewiki and make twenty translations. I must now wait. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, it is now done. On this page for example, "Abstract Article", "Generated text", "Wikifunctions returned a failed response:" (but not the error itself), "wikidata item reference" and "language" are in English. If it is just a question of update for the firsts, I don't know where to go to translate "wikidata item reference" and "language", or maybe they are just taken from Wikifunction in English for the moment. I am not skilled in programming, so I am focusing on translation. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

@Jdforrester (WMF), I apologize for making a habit out of pinging you, are these texts are unable to be internationalized, or is there somewhere else to do that? Feeglgeef (talk) 20:55, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

@Feeglgeef: As you say, interface text is indeed translated on TWN. This is exported into the development repo, and then pushed to production each week as part of the normal process.

For example, "Abstract Article" is content-model-abstractwiki, translated as "Article résumé" by @Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick on Friday; it will be here this Wednesday. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Alright. Thank you! Feeglgeef (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

… and to close the loop, MediaWiki:Content-model-abstractwiki/fr is now "Article résumé" here. Success! Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

@Jdforrester (WMF):. Thank you. But on Wendy Carlos, we have "chapeau (Q8776414)" with (Q8776414) written, and "wikidata item reference" and "language" are always in English. I don't know where to add French translations.

Other problem, on Translatewiki, some name of languages are not in French, I don't know where to go to make translations. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 17:17, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

@Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick: " wikidata item reference" is the label of Z825K1, but indeed it's pulling the wrong label. I've filed a task: T426885: Z825K* labels are shown always in English (?), not in the view-specific language Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

@Jdforrester (WMF): I add a translation for Z825 and the result is correct on Wendy Carlos. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Aha! Never mind then, glad we got that sorted. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 22:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Special:Diff/8021

Nice. — rae^5e <talk> 00:50, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

😁 Feeglgeef (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Question

Forgive me if this is a dumb question but I am still new to making these and trying to learn, but is it possible to place pronouns in an article? Every article I've made I've had it read "name is this. name did that" instead of "name is this. he did that". Is there a function for this or is the name just inevitable? Sophisticatedevening (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi! Ideally we'd eventually have a way to reference the subject without naming them again (for related work, see Abstract Wikipedia:Abstract article architectures). The problem is that different languages have different rules to determine how exactly you make that reference (in Swahili, there's one word for third person, yeye, in Spanish there is only "el/ella", no "it" or singular they equivalent, these are the ones I know but there are more complex cases), which means that it's unfortunately impossible right now. A first point of work might be a function that takes a Wikidata item and determines the third person nominative pronoun for one language. Feeglgeef (talk) 01:05, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

That's fair, was just curious if that structure was already in place, thank you for responding. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2026 (UTC)